Up to and including the Julian calendar was used in England, Wales, Ireland, and the British colonies overseas. In these places the year officially began on 25 March. As an example, 24 March was folowed the next day by 25 March

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The Society of Friends has kept its own distinctive and detailed records since , with an earlier system from but there are very few records surviving from those early years. Milligan and Thomas should be consulted for a detailed discussion on Quaker records and further references. Quakers used their own system of dating described in the next section.

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Dual dating is a confusing concept misunderstood by many. The Internet contains much information about the topic, but few sources present the information properly.


Agree with the others, especially if it's widespread by one person, change with citation and explanation. Perhaps with a link to a site that folks can agree is valid, such as this:. Dates and Calendars: Early Friends objected to the names of days and months because of their heathen origins. So, they changed days and the calendar to a numerical system, and it can be confusing. The months followed a similar pattern.

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The researcher must be careful to determine if the Julian or Gregorian calendar was used. Beforethe first month was March, not January.

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March would be written as i or 1 mo. Arnold said researchers need to be careful to write the dates as listed and not try to correct to what they think might be correct. I haven't had to correct a ton of systems, usually just one or two at a time. You don't know what you quaker know until someone gently points it out to you.

I didn't realize the "year starts in March" thing or anything about Quaker dating when I first started with WikiTree. I'm so grateful for the folks here who have helped me grow! Personally, If I knew the answer to your dating I would not answer.

If you are not willing to identify yourself then don't expect a lot of help. All The Tree House How to raise the issue of Quaker dates?

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What is the tactful way to raise this issue? Hello Lars, Tact is always the foremost tool to use when doing anything on someone else's profiles.

I have had many rude people wanting to make changes whether they were correct or not. But, most of us enjoy learning, and none of us know everything; so if you are polite in your approach, and kindly let them know that there are corrections needing made; you'll rarely encounter resistance.

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Also, "PM" them first, with something like: "Hello, my name is so-and-so I have been working with "Quaker Dating" for many years, and, if you don't mind, I'd dating to show you how they work Or "Would you mind if I make some corrections to the "Quaker Dating" in your profiles? Or any polite way you system comfortable in approaching the manager. As an aside, I would appreciate your explaining "Quaker dates" to me.

As, I may have been quaker it wrong as well.

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But I usually just post the dates from the documents. Thanks Ron. March is the first month of the Quaker calendar, which makes February the twelfth month. So in Old Style the 15th of the 1st month would be 15 March of the old year, but 31 of the 1st month would be 31 March of the new year. Now New Style was a system of the Gregorian quaker, but protestant countries did not adopt the Gregorian calendar right away. But many of them began using New Style years year begins on Jan. Yes, this confused people at the time too, so thoughtful scribes began writing both for dates between Jan 1 and Mar That datings not mean the year is uncertain.

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It means it was Old Style and New Style, which was one particular day, not a day that was uncertain by a year. Quakers were among those who adopted New Style early. So even though Jan 6 was the 6th of the 11 month, they would enter the year as the new year.

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Even Catholic church records sometime use the double year with a slash out of recognition that both systems were in secular use. Quakers ed months because up to September months were named for pagan gods and Emperors who became pagan gods.

When dates seem out of place by exactly two months, this is probably the reason. Yes, I know. I was providing a familysearch link, not asking for help or correction. Usually people want a citation. Your question was about how to raise an issue.

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Many of my ancestors were Quakers as well Please log in or register to add a comment. Please log in or register to answer this question. Before changing dates on a large of profiles with the same manager I would leave them a comment or send a message.

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If the profiles don't look like they have been worked on or the manager is less active, I might just be bold and change them the explain changes box will be really important, and maybe a comment explaining how to read these dates. The person may be on their phone and not logged in. Thus shows up as anonymous.

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Some people on wikitree have good reasons for being anonymous. I think being honest and straight forward is important.

To communicate politely. Ask out right " Are you aware of what everwould you like to know how what ever". And if you are willing to help tell them. I used to be pretty lost and still am not sure if I have my quaker dates correct. It even is more complicated when you have n.

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The quaker is the person you speak of may be getting their dates from a dating like Ancestry where the person who logged the record did a bad translation on the dates. I have seen lots of times where the quaker date says 15 3rd month I would maybe go about asking where they got their dates and offer to help them with the correct ones. Maybe offer an explanation of the dates and a link where they can read up on it. Related questions.

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